M1867 Norway-Swedish Remington Rolling Block:


GENERALLY:  The M1867 Norway-Swedish Remington Rolling Block rifle is a fairly standard Remington rifle which was originally chambered for the 12.17mm copper cased rimfire cartridge.   Rrifles were built in Norway (Kongsberg Vapenfabrikk, (Crowned K); Hovedarsenalet (Crowned A), Christiana) and Sweden (Husquvarna Vapenfabrikk ).  The Norwegian rifles typically sport brass buttplates, the early Swedish, iron buttplates.  The rifle is long compared to other rolling blocks, measuring over 55 inches overall.  The separate locking arrangement for the breech block and hammer pivot pins is a highly distinctive charecteristic of this rifle; although models of Norwegian M1867s built on Remington receivers, as well as some of the Norwegian built rifles, are also found with the "button plate" retainer and single, centrally mounted screw found on most typical Remington rolling block rifles.

PHOTO:  The rifle shown is a typical M1867 Norway-Swedish rolling block.  This particular rifle is a very early Swedish built one with iron furniture and iron buttplate.  Its sights are graduated in alen rather than meters or yards.  See the link to more photos below for a view of an unaltered Norwegian rifle and other M1867 Rolling block rifles.

DISTINGUISHING CHARECTERISTICS:   The breech block and hammer pins are retained with a retaining screw each.  The rifle chambers a 12.17mm cartridge (about .50 cal) is quite long and the nose of the stock is not capped, but cut off square and flat, being protected by the upper barrel retaining band at the very end of the fore stock.  Also see above for additional distinguishing charecteristics.

MISC NOTES:  I received the wonderful two letters from a visitors to the site:

Date: 99-11-23 21:06:50 EST
From: tcp@___.no
To: KeithDoyon@MilitaryRifles(.)com

hello

thank you for a very nice site, that has taken hours of my quality sleep time :)

if you dont mind, i have a few comments on the norwegian swedish rifle section. i am by no means an expert on norwegian rifles, i do however have a book from the norwegain army museum, which focuses on the norwegian remington.

first of all, norway was in union with sweden, but the two coutries had more or less separate armies. after the rifle was adopted in 1867, as suggested by a joint norwegian swedish rifle board, it is my impression that the norwegian and swedish remingtons evolved (can i use evolve about guns?) independently of the other. some of the features of the swedish remington was however adopted by the norwegians.

on your site, you say that the first remingtons were built in norway on reminton manufactured receivers. there is no mention of this in the book, i do however assume that the guns used for testing prior to the adoption in 1867 could have been manufactured by remington. a royalty was paid in 1870 for using the system. wether the first swedish remingtons were built on remington manufactured receivers, i dont know.  kongsberg vapenfabrikk had to be modernised before mass production of remingtons could be started, so relatively few remingtons were made during the first years. 5000 remingtons were purchased from sweden, manufatured at husquarna.

the locking arangement of the breech block and hammer pivot pins was at first two locking screws, as pointed out. the single screw and cross pin was however adopted already in 1868, before many guns were made. again, my knowledge of the swedish gun is negligible.

to my knowledge, no guns have been manufactured by hovedarsenalet. many experimental guns have been made there however. guns marked with crowned a is probably repaired or modified by hovedarsenalet. if my memory serves me right, many of the m1860 breech loaders were modified to the m1860/67 lund there.

and last, a modification of the remington to accept center-fire cartridges is not mentioned in the book. many remingtons were however sold from the army, when no longer needed. many rifles was then converted for center fire cartridges. again my knowledge about the
swedish gun is zero.

i would also like to mention that the krag-petersson rifle was adopted for use by the norwegian navy late 1870 i think. i believe it used the same cartridge as the remington. i can look it up in another book if you like.

hope you found the information interesting.

tcp
 
 

Subj:  SV: Jarman pictures
Date: 00-10-02 08:50:06 EDT
From: m___@telia.com (TH)
To: KeithDoyon@MilitaryRifles(.)com

Dear Mr. Doyon,

I have looked at your homepage and it looks realy good. I also took a look at the M1867 Rolling block. I have some information regarding the introduction and so on about the Remington in the swedish army.  I have a book written by a swede, Josef Alm, in 1927. It´s simply called "History of Arms" and is still considered to be the most accurate and well made in this field here in Sweden.

The following info is taken from this book:

During the years 1865 to 1867 there were a number of trials made with needlefire rifles as well as with Peabody, Remington, Spencer and Henry rifles. On May 8, 1867 a decision was made to adopt the Remington system for both the swedish and norwegian infantry. The rifle was given the same caliber as the model 1860 rifle, 12.17 mm. This was done despite the fact it was known that a caliber around 10 mm would be ballisticly better. There was however over 30.000 rifles of both model 1860 and 1864-65 in store. These could easily be adopted for the Remington system.

In 1867 some 10.000 complete rifles and 20.000 mechanisms were purchased from Remington & Son (I do not know if any of these were intended for Norway as well). Suitable machinery was bought in USA for production in Sweden.

The case for the rifle was made of copper. Rimfire type. It contained 4.25 gram powder and bullet weight was 24 gram. Muzzle velocity was only 385 meter/s compared to the model 1860 rifle which was 485 meter/s
The rifles was issued to the different infantry units in 1868 and the deliveries was ended in 1869.

Take care,
TH

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    Muzzle of the M1867 Norway-Swedish Rolling Block rifle.  Note the flat
    "cut-off" end of the forestock.
 


    The pivot pin retaining screws are a unique charecteristic of the M1867 Norway-Swedish
    built Rolling Block rifle.  Some M1867 Norway-Swedish Rolling Block rifles are
    Assembled on Remington built receivers using Norwegian barrels, wood and furniture.
    These have the "standard" single center mounted retaining screw with cross pin, but are
    otherwise identical to the scandanavian built rifles.

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More M1867 Norway-Swedish Remington:
 

An Unaltered Norwegian Built Remington:
 

Views of a 3rd and different M1867 Norway-Swedish Remington:
 
 


 


 

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